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What if resilience isn’t something you either have or you don’t?
In the season finale of TEDMED Now, Kelly Thomas returns to the stories of Diana Nyad, Sian Beilock, Judson Brewer, A.J. Jacobs, and Kate Bowler to ask what they reveal when we put them side by side.
Across endurance, pressure, habit, joy, illness, and loss, a larger picture emerges: resilience is not one quality or one response to adversity. It is a set of capacities the brain and body can continue to learn throughout life.
Through practice, attention, reward, meaning, and connection, this episode explores how our expectations can change, how old patterns can loosen, why joy helps sustain us, and why some things are carried rather than solved. The result is a different way of thinking about resilience, not as something we prove in a single defining moment, but as something built through the small choices and relationships that help us adapt to what comes next.
About Kelly Thomas
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Kelly Thomas, PhD is Director of Scientific Content at TEDMED, where she curates and translates breakthrough ideas at the intersection of science, medicine, and human potential. Her work focuses on making complex research clear, accurate, and meaningful — connecting rigorous evidence to the realities of everyday life.
With a background spanning biomedical engineering, structural biology, oncology, and the biology of the stem-cell niche in acute myeloid leukemia, Kelly has written across formats ranging from peer-reviewed research and grant proposals to health and wellness journalism. Throughout her career, she has been driven by a central question: how do we translate the best of science into longer, healthier, more meaningful lives?
At TEDMED, she leads the development of conversations and experiences designed to surface nuance, challenge assumptions, and make emerging science accessible without oversimplifying it. As one of the hosts of TEDMED Conversations, she explores topics including resilience, mental health, technology’s impact on youth, and the future of care.
A lifelong athlete and high-performance competitor, Kelly brings a particular interest in the neuroscience of resilience and behavior change — and how science can inform the way we live, train, recover, and grow.
About Diana Nyad
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Diana Nyad is an endurance athlete, journalist, and author best known for completing the 110-mile open-water swim from Havana, Cuba, to Key West, Florida at age 64. After four failed attempts spanning more than three decades, she became the first person to make the crossing without a protective shark cage, swimming for nearly 53 hours through the Gulf Stream.
Long before the Cuba swim, Diana had established herself as a record-setting long-distance swimmer, including a 28-mile circumnavigation of Manhattan and a 102-mile swim from the Bahamas to Florida. She later built a distinguished career in sports broadcasting and journalism, covering major global sporting events and interviewing some of the world’s most accomplished athletes.
Her return to the Cuba swim after decades away from competitive endurance sport became a defining moment not only in athletics, but in the broader conversation about aging, resilience, and the pursuit of unfinished dreams. Since completing the crossing in 2013, she has written the memoir Find a Way, performed a one-woman stage show, and continues to speak about preparation, persistence, and the role of team in achieving ambitious goals.
Her story was adapted into the 2023 film Nyad, introducing her journey to a new generation.
About Sian Leah Beilock
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About Sian
Sian Leah Beilock is the president of Dartmouth College and a renowned cognitive scientist. Her research explores the science behind why people “choke” under pressure and how we can perform our best in stressful situations, whether it’s a big test, a public speech, or a championship game. By using a variety of research methods, from test performance to brain scans, she studies how our thoughts and reasoning skills change when we are under stress. Her work has been recognized with the Troland Award from the National Academy of Sciences and has been featured in major media outlets like The New York Times and NPR. Sian is the author of two acclaimed books: Choke and How the Body Knows Its Mind. She previously served as the president of Barnard College and was a leader at the University of Chicago. Today, she applies her knowledge of the human mind to guide one of the nation’s top universities.
About Judson Brewer
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About Judson:
Dr. Judson Brewer is a psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and international expert who has spent over 20 years researching the connection between mindfulness and addiction. He now serves as the Director of Research and Innovation at the Mindfulness Center at Brown University, where he is also an Associate Professor in the School of Public Health and the Medical School. Judson is a leader in the “science of self-mastery,” focusing on how our brains create and maintain the “habit loop” of cravings, whether they are for nicotine, food, or simply worrying. His work uses advanced technology, including real-time fMRI (functional MRI) and EEG, to study the exact neural mechanisms that mindfulness practices can interrupt. He uses these scientific findings to create real-world clinical tools. In 2012, Judson founded MindSciences (formerly Claritas MindSciences) to translate his research into accessible, app-based digital therapeutic programs. His popular apps, including Craving to Quit and Eat Right Now, help individuals break bad habits and overcome addictive behaviors, including emotional eating and smoking. He also developed Unwinding Anxiety, an app based on his New York Times bestselling book of the same name, which shows how anxiety is a habit that can be broken. Judson continues to advance the field, often featured as a speaker in major media, bringing scientifically-backed mindfulness tools to millions of people worldwide.
About Paul Jacobs
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Dr. Paul E. Jacobs is chief executive officer of Qualcomm Incorporated and is also chairman of the Company’s board of directors. Dr. Jacobs has been the primary driver of Qualcomm’s focus on enabling wireless data services, which make the cell phone a tool not only for voice communications, but also the most personal device for entertainment, computing and information access. Following completion of his Ph.D. in 1989 and a year as a post-doctoral researcher at a French government lab in Toulouse, Dr. Jacobs joined the company fulltime in 1990 as a development engineer leading the cell phone digital signal processor software team. His early work focused on the initial variable-rate 8 kbps speech codec for CDMA . Following this effort, Dr. Jacobs spearheaded the wireline-quality 13 kbps speech codec effort, which became CDMA’s initial differentiating consumer feature. The core engineering team involved in this effort would later be integral to the development of Qualcomm’s Launchpad™ suite of functions and capabilities that ship as software with every Qualcomm chipset. As an innovative leader of a broad range of technical teams within Qualcomm, Dr. Jacobs has also been granted more than 25 patents for his inventions in the area of wireless technology. In 1995, he became vice president and general manager of the combined handset and integrated circuit division, which was subsequently divided into Qualcomm Consumer Products (QCP) and Qualcomm CDMA Technologies, respectively. He was named senior vice president of the Company in 1996 and president of QCP in 1997; he was named executive vice president of Qualcomm in 2000 and group president of Qualcomm Wireless & Internet (QWI) in 2001. QCP developed and manufactured the wireless industry’s first CDMA digital handsets, supporting the rapid global deployment of cdmaOne in the 1990s. Under Dr. Jacobs, that business became the No. 2 CDMA handset supplier in the U.S. prior to its sale to Kyocera Wireless in 2000, with revenues of more than $1.4 billion in Qualcomm’s Fiscal 1999. At QCP, Dr. Jacobs gained extensive operational experience, helped launch numerous CDMA systems and cultivated important executive relationships at top network operators and manufacturers globally. Other, important developments which began under Dr. Jacobs in QCP include the first Palm OS®-based smartphone. He started Qualcomm’s initiative to include global positioning system capabilities in cell phones (which led to the acquisition of SnapTrack™ and Qualcomm’s development of gpsOne™ position-location technology) and drove the development of a uniform set of application programming interfaces to simplify the process of putting software on handsets. Dr. Jacobs expanded this latter idea into the overall concept for the BREW® system, which included dynamic downloading of applications to cell phones with checks for digital signatures on the applications to ensure the integrity of the content, and the business ecosystem that enables BREW developers to engage operators globally and receive payment for their applications. The BREW solution is now deployed broadly by wireless network.
About Kate Bowler
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Kate Bowler is a New York Times bestselling author, a professor at Duke Divinity School, and a popular podcast host. Her work centers on the difficult topic of suffering, and she often challenges the idea of “toxic positivity” — the belief that everything happens for a reason. After she was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer at age 35, she began a national conversation about how to speak openly and honestly about life’s hardships. She’s the author of several books, including the memoir Everything Happens for a Reason (and Other Lies I’ve Loved), which became a bestseller and helped many people feel less alone in their struggles. She also hosts the award-winning podcast “Everything Happens,” where she talks with guests like Malcolm Gladwell and Anne Lamott about how they’ve dealt with difficult circumstances. In recent years, she has continued to write, publishing works like No Cure for Being Human and a devotional called Good Enough: 40ish Devotionals for a Life of Imperfection. Her work provides a mix of personal stories, humor, and historical research to help people navigate a world that isn’t always fair or easy.













